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Any hints about installing Kubuntu w/o destroying Win 7?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 11:04 am
by mjnelson99
I downloaded & burned Kubuntu DVD's for each computer since one is AMD
and the other Intel. Not sure I needed to do that but the AMD specific
file had it in the name.

Anything for a Linux newby would be helpful. I have used dual-boot
Windows systems yet there is bound to be a difference on bootup.

If necessary, I could use BIBM as a boot mgr. It is not currently
installed, though.
Mary

Re: Any hints about installing Kubuntu w/o destroying Win 7?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 11:13 am
by mjnelson99
I do have 55 unused GB between C & D on my hard drive.

On 8/13/2016 1:04 PM, MJNelson wrote:
> I downloaded & burned Kubuntu DVD's for each computer since one is AMD
> and the other Intel. Not sure I needed to do that but the AMD specific
> file had it in the name.
>
> Anything for a Linux newby would be helpful. I have used dual-boot
> Windows systems yet there is bound to be a difference on bootup.
>
> If necessary, I could use BIBM as a boot mgr. It is not currently
> installed, though.
> Mary
>
>

Re: Any hints about installing Kubuntu w/o destroying Win 7?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 4:35 pm
by ohaya
mjnelson99 wrote:
> I do have 55 unused GB between C & D on my hard drive.
>
> On 8/13/2016 1:04 PM, MJNelson wrote:
> > I downloaded & burned Kubuntu DVD's for each computer since one is AMD
> > and the other Intel. Not sure I needed to do that but the AMD specific
> > file had it in the name.
> >
> > Anything for a Linux newby would be helpful. I have used dual-boot
> > Windows systems yet there is bound to be a difference on bootup.
> >
> > If necessary, I could use BIBM as a boot mgr. It is not currently
> > installed, though.
> > Mary
> >
> >


Hi Mary,

Yes, you will probably need BIBM (or BING).

- Create a new Partition for your Linux installation

- In BIBM (or BING), shrink/resize and maybe slide your partitions to make room for your Linux partition.

- In BIBM (or BING), create the new Linux partition.

- In BIBM (or BING), make a new boot menu item for Linux, and add ONLY the new Linux partition to the boot item

- Reboot your machine and when you get to the boot menu, select the Linux partition - you'll get an error because you haven't installed anything on that partition yet, but that sets the partition table

- Reboot and press whatever key is needed to gets your BIOS to let you select the boot drive

- Select the Kubuntu CD, and it should boot to the Kubuntu installer.

You should see ONLY THE ONE partition you made earlier. I usually make the partition an easily recognizable size and also make the size different from other partitions, just for safety. That way when I boot to the Linux, and you get to doing the partitioning, you can see the partition size and make sure that it is using the CORRECT partition, by checking the size it is showing vs. the Linux partition you created.

That should be it. Continue with the Kubuntu installation and when you boot next time, you can select which OS you boot into from the BIBM/BING boot menu.

Re: Any hints about installing Kubuntu w/o destroying Win 7?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 6:28 pm
by mjnelson99
Most want to take the WHOLE hard drive, not just a partition, w/o doing
some work first. That work has not worked.
Mary

On 8/21/2016 6:35 PM, ohaya wrote:
> mjnelson99 wrote:
>> I do have 55 unused GB between C & D on my hard drive.
>>
>> On 8/13/2016 1:04 PM, MJNelson wrote:
>>> I downloaded & burned Kubuntu DVD's for each computer since one is AMD
>>> and the other Intel. Not sure I needed to do that but the AMD specific
>>> file had it in the name.
>>>
>>> Anything for a Linux newby would be helpful. I have used dual-boot
>>> Windows systems yet there is bound to be a difference on bootup.
>>>
>>> If necessary, I could use BIBM as a boot mgr. It is not currently
>>> installed, though.
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>
>
> Hi Mary,
>
> Yes, you will probably need BIBM (or BING).
>
> - Create a new Partition for your Linux installation
>
> - In BIBM (or BING), shrink/resize and maybe slide your partitions to make room for your Linux partition.
>
> - In BIBM (or BING), create the new Linux partition.
>
> - In BIBM (or BING), make a new boot menu item for Linux, and add ONLY the new Linux partition to the boot item
>
> - Reboot your machine and when you get to the boot menu, select the Linux partition - you'll get an error because you haven't installed anything on that partition yet, but that sets the partition table
>
> - Reboot and press whatever key is needed to gets your BIOS to let you select the boot drive
>
> - Select the Kubuntu CD, and it should boot to the Kubuntu installer.
>
> You should see ONLY THE ONE partition you made earlier. I usually make the partition an easily recognizable size and also make the size different from other partitions, just for safety. That way when I boot to the Linux, and you get to doing the partitioning, you can see the partition size and make sure that it is using the CORRECT partition, by checking the size it is showing vs. the Linux partition you created.
>
> That should be it. Continue with the Kubuntu installation and when you boot next time, you can select which OS you boot into from the BIBM/BING boot menu.
>
>

Re: Any hints about installing Kubuntu w/o destroying Win 7?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 7:24 pm
by ohaya
Hi,

Actually, I haven't done a Linux install on a physical machine in awhile, but see this (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1716), which has links for tutorials.

I think the key point is in the "Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:08 am" post from TBU support, where it says:

{quote}That would be caused by installing the boot loader (Grub2) to the MBR during the Ubuntu install, which is the default action for the Ubuntu installer. To avoid this, you need to tell the installer to install Grub2 to the Ubuntu root partition instead . This is covered in the Ubuntu install procedure in this KB article (see step 19):
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=279
{quote}

If I have time, I will try on my machine after this, just to see :)...


mjnelson99 wrote:
> Most want to take the WHOLE hard drive, not just a partition, w/o doing
> some work first. That work has not worked.
> Mary
>
> On 8/21/2016 6:35 PM, ohaya wrote:
> > mjnelson99 wrote:
> >> I do have 55 unused GB between C & D on my hard drive.
> >>
> >> On 8/13/2016 1:04 PM, MJNelson wrote:
> >>> I downloaded & burned Kubuntu DVD's for each computer since one is AMD
> >>> and the other Intel. Not sure I needed to do that but the AMD specific
> >>> file had it in the name.
> >>>
> >>> Anything for a Linux newby would be helpful. I have used dual-boot
> >>> Windows systems yet there is bound to be a difference on bootup.
> >>>
> >>> If necessary, I could use BIBM as a boot mgr. It is not currently
> >>> installed, though.
> >>> Mary
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> > Hi Mary,
> >
> > Yes, you will probably need BIBM (or BING).
> >
> > - Create a new Partition for your Linux installation
> >
> > - In BIBM (or BING), shrink/resize and maybe slide your partitions to
> make room for your Linux partition.
> >
> > - In BIBM (or BING), create the new Linux partition.
> >
> > - In BIBM (or BING), make a new boot menu item for Linux, and add ONLY
> the new Linux partition to the boot item
> >
> > - Reboot your machine and when you get to the boot menu, select the Linux
> partition - you'll get an error because you haven't installed anything on
> that partition yet, but that sets the partition table
> >
> > - Reboot and press whatever key is needed to gets your BIOS to let you
> select the boot drive
> >
> > - Select the Kubuntu CD, and it should boot to the Kubuntu installer.
> >
> > You should see ONLY THE ONE partition you made earlier. I usually make
> the partition an easily recognizable size and also make the size different
> from other partitions, just for safety. That way when I boot to the Linux,
> and you get to doing the partitioning, you can see the partition size and
> make sure that it is using the CORRECT partition, by checking the size it
> is showing vs. the Linux partition you created.
> >
> > That should be it. Continue with the Kubuntu installation and when you
> boot next time, you can select which OS you boot into from the BIBM/BING
> boot menu.
> >
> >

Re: Any hints about installing Kubuntu w/o destroying Win 7?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:22 pm
by ohaya
I following the process in that Ubuntu tutorial, and was able to install Kubuntu 15.04 in its own set of partitions.

- I made 2 partitions, one for root or "/" and the other for swap.
- I made sure that the root partition was on /dev/sda1 and the swap was /dev/sda2
- I made the installer install grub2 to /dev/sda1.\

A couple of things I noted different from the tutorial:

- I had to start Kubuntu Live then click the "Install Kubuntu" button. I don't know why I didn't have an "Install" option but it could be because I used the unetln tool to put the Kubuntu ISO on a USB stick.
- This was Kubuntu 15.04, but it didn't have a "Something else" option, but it did have a "Manual" option so I chose that.

In my case, I put the Kubuntu root and swap partitions on my HD1 hard drive, because on my laptop, HD0 is the Nvm SSD, and I didn't want to take the chance of Kubuntu not being able to boot off of the SSD. Also, I set the "Swap" button in the boot item for Kubuntu (though I'm not sure if that was needed)

Something that was scary in my case was that when I was configuring the partitions in Kubuntu installer, I saw a 200GB+ partition at /nvme0 or something like that. I think that is the SSD.

Anyway, some screenshots at: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AjmS0OAwpbKCsgJ_KktbcdnCaZ50

Jim

Re: Any hints about installing Kubuntu w/o destroying Win 7?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:15 am
by DrTeeth
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 11:04:16 PDT, just as I was about to take a herb,
MJNelson disturbed my reverie and wrote:

>I downloaded & burned Kubuntu DVD's for each computer since one is AMD
>and the other Intel. Not sure I needed to do that but the AMD specific
>file had it in the name.
>
>Anything for a Linux newby would be helpful. I have used dual-boot
>Windows systems yet there is bound to be a difference on bootup.
>
>If necessary, I could use BIBM as a boot mgr. It is not currently
>installed, though.
>Mary
>
Just follow the standard instructions and all will be well. I have 5
distros installed here on a PC that has Win7 (x64), Vista (x64) and
Win XP installed and did not run into any probs.

If you have still to do the install and needs help, I will be happy to
help you through it, even off NG for speed.
--
Cheers,

DrT

"If you want to find out what is wrong
with democracy, spend five minutes with
the average voter." - Winston Churchill

Re: Any hints about installing Kubuntu w/o destroying Win 7?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:35 am
by mjnelson99
I did try to follow the standard instructions and so far w/o success. I
also looked @ youtube videos that did not use techniques I wanted to
attempt.
One thing a video said is if you use the Linux boot, if it goes down, so
does access to Windows.

Maybe installing BIBM as a first step would be useful? Get BIBM &
Windows working, then go to Linux?

A friend likes Linux Mint. I tried to see its desktop from a DVD and
only saw an install option. I ONLY want to look now. The install options
were not good either.

It was a frustrating experience.
Mary

On 8/22/2016 5:15 AM, DrTeeth wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 11:04:16 PDT, just as I was about to take a herb,
> MJNelson
>
> disturbed my reverie and wrote:
>
>> I downloaded & burned Kubuntu DVD's for each computer since one is AMD
>> and the other Intel. Not sure I needed to do that but the AMD specific
>> file had it in the name.
>>
>> Anything for a Linux newby would be helpful. I have used dual-boot
>> Windows systems yet there is bound to be a difference on bootup.
>>
>> If necessary, I could use BIBM as a boot mgr. It is not currently
>> installed, though.
>> Mary
>>
> Just follow the standard instructions and all will be well. I have 5
> distros installed here on a PC that has Win7 (x64), Vista (x64) and
> Win XP installed and did not run into any probs.
>
> If you have still to do the install and needs help, I will be happy to
> help you through it, even off NG for speed.
>

Re: Any hints about installing Kubuntu w/o destroying Win 7?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:46 am
by mjnelson99
To make matters more fun, the external audio jack on this computer has
decided to act up.
Will try rebooting and see if that makes a difference.

Would kind of like Linux verson on a USB drive that Toshiba made
impossible to install as internal because it has different connectors.

The Toshiba has 273 GBs of space on it at the beginning of the drive as
well.
Is possible to do?
Mary

On 8/22/2016 11:35 AM, MJNelson wrote:
> I did try to follow the standard instructions and so far w/o success. I
> also looked @ youtube videos that did not use techniques I wanted to
> attempt.
> One thing a video said is if you use the Linux boot, if it goes down, so
> does access to Windows.
>
> Maybe installing BIBM as a first step would be useful? Get BIBM &
> Windows working, then go to Linux?
>
> A friend likes Linux Mint. I tried to see its desktop from a DVD and
> only saw an install option. I ONLY want to look now. The install options
> were not good either.
>
> It was a frustrating experience.
> Mary
>
> On 8/22/2016 5:15 AM, DrTeeth wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 11:04:16 PDT, just as I was about to take a herb,
>> MJNelson
>>
>> disturbed my reverie and wrote:
>>
>>> I downloaded & burned Kubuntu DVD's for each computer since one is AMD
>>> and the other Intel. Not sure I needed to do that but the AMD specific
>>> file had it in the name.
>>>
>>> Anything for a Linux newby would be helpful. I have used dual-boot
>>> Windows systems yet there is bound to be a difference on bootup.
>>>
>>> If necessary, I could use BIBM as a boot mgr. It is not currently
>>> installed, though.
>>> Mary
>>>
>> Just follow the standard instructions and all will be well. I have 5
>> distros installed here on a PC that has Win7 (x64), Vista (x64) and
>> Win XP installed and did not run into any probs.
>>
>> If you have still to do the install and needs help, I will be happy to
>> help you through it, even off NG for speed.
>>
>
>

Re: Any hints about installing Kubuntu w/o destroying Win 7?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:32 am
by mjnelson99
Correction. The Toshiba is 173 GB of space. Still lots.

On 8/22/2016 11:46 AM, MJNelson wrote:
> To make matters more fun, the external audio jack on this computer has
> decided to act up.
> Will try rebooting and see if that makes a difference.
>
> Would kind of like Linux verson on a USB drive that Toshiba made
> impossible to install as internal because it has different connectors.
>
> The Toshiba has 273 GBs of space on it at the beginning of the drive as
> well.
> Is possible to do?
> Mary
>
> On 8/22/2016 11:35 AM, MJNelson wrote:
>> I did try to follow the standard instructions and so far w/o success. I
>> also looked @ youtube videos that did not use techniques I wanted to
>> attempt.
>> One thing a video said is if you use the Linux boot, if it goes down, so
>> does access to Windows.
>>
>> Maybe installing BIBM as a first step would be useful? Get BIBM &
>> Windows working, then go to Linux?
>>
>> A friend likes Linux Mint. I tried to see its desktop from a DVD and
>> only saw an install option. I ONLY want to look now. The install options
>> were not good either.
>>
>> It was a frustrating experience.
>> Mary
>>
>> On 8/22/2016 5:15 AM, DrTeeth wrote:
>>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 11:04:16 PDT, just as I was about to take a herb,
>>> MJNelson
>>>
>>> disturbed my reverie and wrote:
>>>
>>>> I downloaded & burned Kubuntu DVD's for each computer since one is AMD
>>>> and the other Intel. Not sure I needed to do that but the AMD specific
>>>> file had it in the name.
>>>>
>>>> Anything for a Linux newby would be helpful. I have used dual-boot
>>>> Windows systems yet there is bound to be a difference on bootup.
>>>>
>>>> If necessary, I could use BIBM as a boot mgr. It is not currently
>>>> installed, though.
>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>> Just follow the standard instructions and all will be well. I have 5
>>> distros installed here on a PC that has Win7 (x64), Vista (x64) and
>>> Win XP installed and did not run into any probs.
>>>
>>> If you have still to do the install and needs help, I will be happy to
>>> help you through it, even off NG for speed.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>