One of the computers on which I want to use Image for Windows has no DVD drive. I assume for this computer I should create a bootable USB stick.
I have tried, but have failed. I have tried two different USB sticks (one 1GB, one 2GB) and I have tried different options for "Usb layout", every time when I try to boot, the computer tells me "Boot error" or "Invalid device" (not sure of the wording of the second one - something like that).
I am trying to create the bootable stick by using Start > TeraByte Unlimited > Image for Windows > V2 > IFW-Create Recovery boot Disk
What am I doing wrong? What is the trick for knowing what options to select here?
Problems creating bootable USB stick
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TeraByte Support
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Re: Problems creating bootable USB stick
Using one of the partition methods works better with some BIOSes and Windows
booting so you may want to try those. Ultimately the BIOS has to provide
the support type that Windows is looking for to boot. You could create an
Image for Linux bootable UFD if Windows doesn't like booting on that system.
"nrd" wrote in message news:8479@public.image...
One of the computers on which I want to use Image for Windows has no DVD
drive. I assume for this computer I should create a bootable USB stick.
I have tried, but have failed. I have tried two different USB sticks (one
1GB, one 2GB) and I have tried different options for "Usb layout", every
time when I try to boot, the computer tells me "Boot error" or "Invalid
device" (not sure of the wording of the second one - something like that).
I am trying to create the bootable stick by using Start > TeraByte Unlimited
> Image for Windows > V2 > IFW-Create Recovery boot Disk
What am I doing wrong? What is the trick for knowing what options to select
here?
booting so you may want to try those. Ultimately the BIOS has to provide
the support type that Windows is looking for to boot. You could create an
Image for Linux bootable UFD if Windows doesn't like booting on that system.
"nrd" wrote in message news:8479@public.image...
One of the computers on which I want to use Image for Windows has no DVD
drive. I assume for this computer I should create a bootable USB stick.
I have tried, but have failed. I have tried two different USB sticks (one
1GB, one 2GB) and I have tried different options for "Usb layout", every
time when I try to boot, the computer tells me "Boot error" or "Invalid
device" (not sure of the wording of the second one - something like that).
I am trying to create the bootable stick by using Start > TeraByte Unlimited
> Image for Windows > V2 > IFW-Create Recovery boot Disk
What am I doing wrong? What is the trick for knowing what options to select
here?
Re: Problems creating bootable USB stick
As I say, I have a tired a variety of the partition thingy options. How do I know which one should work?
I don't understand your reference to Image for Linux here ... are you saying I can use that to restore a Windows backup made using Image for Windows?
Why would my computer be able to create a bootable Linux USB stick if it can't produce a Windows one?
I don't understand your reference to Image for Linux here ... are you saying I can use that to restore a Windows backup made using Image for Windows?
Why would my computer be able to create a bootable Linux USB stick if it can't produce a Windows one?
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TeraByte Support
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Re: Problems creating bootable USB stick
You can try the 3 partition options, if windows won't boot, you can try
changing your BIOS settings for the USB drive types in the booting order
(some have it where you can say boot from USB HD or USB ZIP instead of USB
Floppy, etc..), but it has to be whatever windows is looking for (outside
our control). Yes, you can use Image for Linux to backup/restore Windows.
"nrd" wrote in message news:8483@public.image...
As I say, I have a tired a variety of the partition thingy options. How do
I know which one should work?
I don't understand your reference to Image for Linux here ... are you saying
I can use that to restore a Windows backup made using Image for Windows?
Why would my computer be able to create a bootable Linux USB stick if it
can't produce a Windows one?
changing your BIOS settings for the USB drive types in the booting order
(some have it where you can say boot from USB HD or USB ZIP instead of USB
Floppy, etc..), but it has to be whatever windows is looking for (outside
our control). Yes, you can use Image for Linux to backup/restore Windows.
"nrd" wrote in message news:8483@public.image...
As I say, I have a tired a variety of the partition thingy options. How do
I know which one should work?
I don't understand your reference to Image for Linux here ... are you saying
I can use that to restore a Windows backup made using Image for Windows?
Why would my computer be able to create a bootable Linux USB stick if it
can't produce a Windows one?
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mjnelson99
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The bakRe: Problems creating bootable USB stick
The backup image requires something that will boot in order to do a
restore.
If Windows cannot boot, you need IFD or IFL on a bootable device in
order to access your previously created image. I use the IFL version
with networking. CUI is keyboard controlled, GUI is graphical interface.
Just use makedisk.exe to create the bootable device.
Have your install code handy when you do. That is usually the only
change I make when creating the boot disk.
Mary
On 8/3/2014 4:09 PM, TeraByte Support wrote:
> You can try the 3 partition options, if windows won't boot, you can try
> changing your BIOS settings for the USB drive types in the booting order
> (some have it where you can say boot from USB HD or USB ZIP instead of USB
> Floppy, etc..), but it has to be whatever windows is looking for (outside
> our control). Yes, you can use Image for Linux to backup/restore Windows.
>
> "nrd" wrote in message news:8483@public.image...
>
> As I say, I have a tired a variety of the partition thingy options. How do
> I know which one should work?
>
> I don't understand your reference to Image for Linux here ... are you saying
> I can use that to restore a Windows backup made using Image for Windows?
> Why would my computer be able to create a bootable Linux USB stick if it
> can't produce a Windows one?
>
>
restore.
If Windows cannot boot, you need IFD or IFL on a bootable device in
order to access your previously created image. I use the IFL version
with networking. CUI is keyboard controlled, GUI is graphical interface.
Just use makedisk.exe to create the bootable device.
Have your install code handy when you do. That is usually the only
change I make when creating the boot disk.
Mary
On 8/3/2014 4:09 PM, TeraByte Support wrote:
> You can try the 3 partition options, if windows won't boot, you can try
> changing your BIOS settings for the USB drive types in the booting order
> (some have it where you can say boot from USB HD or USB ZIP instead of USB
> Floppy, etc..), but it has to be whatever windows is looking for (outside
> our control). Yes, you can use Image for Linux to backup/restore Windows.
>
> "nrd" wrote in message news:8483@public.image...
>
> As I say, I have a tired a variety of the partition thingy options. How do
> I know which one should work?
>
> I don't understand your reference to Image for Linux here ... are you saying
> I can use that to restore a Windows backup made using Image for Windows?
> Why would my computer be able to create a bootable Linux USB stick if it
> can't produce a Windows one?
>
>
Re: Problems creating bootable USB stick
TeraByte Support wrote:
> You can try the 3 partition options, if windows won't boot, you can try
> changing your BIOS settings for the USB drive types in the booting order
Yes, MY PC is configured to boot from USB if there is a bootable USB stick there. I do have Ultimate Boot Disk on a USB stick, and I have checked that it still boots OK from that. It's just the "bootable" USB stick created fom the TeraBye menu that it won't boot.
How do I know which of the partition options is meant to work?
> Yes, you can use Image for Linux to backup/restore Windows.
I am, then, confused about what the difference is between Image for Windows and Image for Linux :S
And what would I boot into to run Image for Linux to do the restore? Are you assuming that I already have a Linux system somewhere?
mjnelson wrote:
> Just use makedisk.exe to create the bootable device.
Yes, it's makedisk I have been using, IIUC. It doesn't create a bootable USB stick for me.
> You can try the 3 partition options, if windows won't boot, you can try
> changing your BIOS settings for the USB drive types in the booting order
Yes, MY PC is configured to boot from USB if there is a bootable USB stick there. I do have Ultimate Boot Disk on a USB stick, and I have checked that it still boots OK from that. It's just the "bootable" USB stick created fom the TeraBye menu that it won't boot.
How do I know which of the partition options is meant to work?
> Yes, you can use Image for Linux to backup/restore Windows.
I am, then, confused about what the difference is between Image for Windows and Image for Linux :S
And what would I boot into to run Image for Linux to do the restore? Are you assuming that I already have a Linux system somewhere?
mjnelson wrote:
> Just use makedisk.exe to create the bootable device.
Yes, it's makedisk I have been using, IIUC. It doesn't create a bootable USB stick for me.
Last edited by nrd on Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:54 am, edited 2 times in total.
Re: Problems creating bootable USB stick
I have dug into things further, and with a little speculation I may be starting to understand. Is it the case that "Image for Linux" and "Image for DOS" in some way include installations of Linux and DOS with them?
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Re: Problems creating bootable USB stick
Booting IFD and IFL doesn't require any specific OS to be installed. They each boot up to their own OS and run the imaging program.
Generally, for TBWinRE (the IFW boot media), using the "Partition - MBR FAT/FAT32 Partition" USB Layout option and the "Default - Use Device" Geometry option works well.
For the USB booting issue, does the BIOS just list a generic "USB drive" type entry in the boot order list and this entry is set to boot first? Or does the BIOS have separate entries for the actual USB drive (most newer versions do)? If it has a separate entry are you setting it to boot first independent of any other USB drive you may have previously set? You could also try using the BIOS Boot Menu to directly boot the flash drive instead of modifying the boot order (e.g. F8 or F12 on many systems). I mention this because, depending on the BIOS, it may see the flash drive as a different device/drive on each test and not be putting it where you think in the order (it could be trying to boot another drive).
Have you tried booting the flash drive(s) on another system?
When creating the TBWinRE build were any errors or warnings displayed? If it didn't find the booting files there could be issues. I assume it's a standard Windows install (WinRE and the booting files haven't been altered).
Generally, for TBWinRE (the IFW boot media), using the "Partition - MBR FAT/FAT32 Partition" USB Layout option and the "Default - Use Device" Geometry option works well.
For the USB booting issue, does the BIOS just list a generic "USB drive" type entry in the boot order list and this entry is set to boot first? Or does the BIOS have separate entries for the actual USB drive (most newer versions do)? If it has a separate entry are you setting it to boot first independent of any other USB drive you may have previously set? You could also try using the BIOS Boot Menu to directly boot the flash drive instead of modifying the boot order (e.g. F8 or F12 on many systems). I mention this because, depending on the BIOS, it may see the flash drive as a different device/drive on each test and not be putting it where you think in the order (it could be trying to boot another drive).
Have you tried booting the flash drive(s) on another system?
When creating the TBWinRE build were any errors or warnings displayed? If it didn't find the booting files there could be issues. I assume it's a standard Windows install (WinRE and the booting files haven't been altered).
Re: Problems creating bootable USB stick
Thanks, Paul.
I'm away from my home office for the next few days, so can't be scientific about testing things again until the weekend.
That's become academic, though, because by working directly on the DVD-less laptop and using a new USB stick, I've been able to create a TBWinRE stick from which I can boot.
Which does prompt one question for me - to what extent is the bootable stick or disc specific to the computer that it will be booting? Does one have to create the boot medium from the Image installation on the computer it will be used with?
I'm away from my home office for the next few days, so can't be scientific about testing things again until the weekend.
That's become academic, though, because by working directly on the DVD-less laptop and using a new USB stick, I've been able to create a TBWinRE stick from which I can boot.
Which does prompt one question for me - to what extent is the bootable stick or disc specific to the computer that it will be booting? Does one have to create the boot medium from the Image installation on the computer it will be used with?
Re: Problems creating bootable USB stick
On Mon, 4 Aug 2014 14:13:24 PDT, nrd wrote:
>Thanks, Paul.
>I'm away from my home office for the next few days, so can't be scientific about testing things again until the weekend.
>That's become academic, though, because by working directly on the DVD-less laptop and using a new USB stick, I've been able to create a TBWinRE stick from which I can boot.
>
>Which does prompt one question for me - to what extent is the bootable stick or disc specific to the computer that it will be booting? Does one have to create the boot medium from the Image installation on the computer it will be used with?
>
If your stick or disk boots on your computers, and all relevant disks
are visible to the booted TBWinRE then you're ok.
I had problems with USB3 disks not being visible on one of my
computers when booted with TBWinRE. This was a problem because I
wished to back up to an external USB3 disk. I switched to generating a
TBWinPE (instead of RE) boot disk, which allowed me to use the latest
Windows AIK which included the updated USB3 drivers. This made the
external disk visible.
>Thanks, Paul.
>I'm away from my home office for the next few days, so can't be scientific about testing things again until the weekend.
>That's become academic, though, because by working directly on the DVD-less laptop and using a new USB stick, I've been able to create a TBWinRE stick from which I can boot.
>
>Which does prompt one question for me - to what extent is the bootable stick or disc specific to the computer that it will be booting? Does one have to create the boot medium from the Image installation on the computer it will be used with?
>
If your stick or disk boots on your computers, and all relevant disks
are visible to the booted TBWinRE then you're ok.
I had problems with USB3 disks not being visible on one of my
computers when booted with TBWinRE. This was a problem because I
wished to back up to an external USB3 disk. I switched to generating a
TBWinPE (instead of RE) boot disk, which allowed me to use the latest
Windows AIK which included the updated USB3 drivers. This made the
external disk visible.