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Re: Win8 Upgrade

Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:22 am

Brian K wrote:
> DrT,
>
> Could the Win8 DVD "see" your qualifying OS partition? Was that
> partition in the MBR at the time?

"No" on both counts. The qualifying process is handled by the upgrade wizard alone. At the time of install, I kept the MBR empty.

Best wishes to those affected by 'Sandy'

DrT

Re: Win8 Upgrade

Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:05 am

DrTeeth wrote:

> The qualifying process is handled by the upgrade
> wizard alone.

There seems to be disagreement here. The downloaded ISO can be used on any computer. All through the following thread it says the install needs to see the qualifying OS. I realize that didn't apply to you. This is very confusing. Different opinions.

http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/11150 ... new-drive/

Re: Win8 Upgrade

Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:11 am

Brian,

Even an MSoft blog says the upgrade version can be applied to a clean partition. The only thing that is not clear to me is whether the upgrade is OEM or retail licenced. Admittedly, there is more chance of my hair growing back than putting Win 8 on my desktop, but it would be handy to know if it would survive a hardware upgrade like a retail version. Apparently the 're-install over the original install' trick also works for Win 8 for authentication issues.

Perhaps the DVD upgrade behaves differently to the d/l one?

DrT

Re: Win8 Upgrade

Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:53 am

I had either Vista or Win 7 complain when I updated the
firmware on my dvd drive.

I don't remember specifically what happened but I do know it
was handled okay at the time.

If your software kicks in on you with a hardware
update/upgrade, I'll bet it can be solved.
Mary

On 10/31/2012 5:11 AM, DrTeeth wrote:
> Brian,
>
> Even an MSoft blog says the upgrade version can be applied to a clean partition.

The only thing that is not clear to me is whether the
upgrade is OEM or retail licenced.

Admittedly, there is more chance of my hair growing back
than putting Win 8 on my desktop,

but it would be handy to know if it would survive a hardware
upgrade like a retail version.

Apparently the 're-install over the original install' trick
also works for Win 8 for authentication issues.
>
> Perhaps the DVD upgrade behaves differently to the d/l one?
>
> DrT
>
>

Re: Win8 Upgrade

Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:52 am

It works for some but not for others. I hope we'll eventually understand the "science".

Re: Win8 Upgrade

Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:57 am

The thing is an OEM-type licence is tied to the hardware and the licence expires with the hardware (is tied to it), be it an upgrade or a technical fault. There have been reports of MSoft being kind and allowing an OEM licence to be used on new hardware if that was technically necessary to fix a computer.

A retail licence does not have that restriction. I know this from experience too as when I upgraded a while back, there were major problems,such that there were > 5 hardware changes (motherboard + CPU) over a 2-3 week period. I had no problems at all with my retail licence of Win 7. I'd have been stuck with an OEM.

A firmware update of a drive does not trigger the activation system - I upgraded the firmware on my 4 Seagate H/Ds a month ago without a burp from the activation system.

Hope you are well - hurricane wise.

Regards

DrT

Re: Win8 Upgrade

Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:03 pm

I am still holding back on downloading the upgrade till I can know for sure
if it is an OEM or Retail. I am like you and don't want an OEM.

"DrTeeth" wrote in message news:3662@public.tech.misc...

The thing is an OEM-type licence is tied to the hardware and the licence
expires with the hardware (is tied to it), be it an upgrade or a technical
fault. There have been reports of MSoft being kind and allowing an OEM
licence to be used on new hardware if that was technically necessary to fix
a computer.

A retail licence does not have that restriction. I know this from experience
too as when I upgraded a while back, there were major problems,such that
there were > 5 hardware changes (motherboard + CPU) over a 2-3 week period.
I had no problems at all with my retail licence of Win 7. I'd have been
stuck with an OEM.

A firmware update of a drive does not trigger the activation system - I
upgraded the firmware on my 4 Seagate H/Ds a month ago without a burp from
the activation system.

Hope you are well - hurricane wise.

Regards

DrT

Re: Win8 Upgrade

Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:12 am

I'll bet it is OEM rather than retail.
Mary

On 10/31/2012 10:03 PM, Ed. wrote:
> I am still holding back on downloading the upgrade till I can know for sure
> if it is an OEM or Retail. I am like you and don't want an OEM.
>
> "DrTeeth" wrote in message news:3662@public.tech.misc...
>
> The thing is an OEM-type licence is tied to the hardware and the licence
> expires with the hardware (is tied to it), be it an upgrade or a technical
> fault. There have been reports of MSoft being kind and allowing an OEM
> licence to be used on new hardware if that was technically necessary to fix
> a computer.
>
> A retail licence does not have that restriction. I know this from experience
> too as when I upgraded a while back, there were major problems,such that
> there were > 5 hardware changes (motherboard + CPU) over a 2-3 week period.
> I had no problems at all with my retail licence of Win 7. I'd have been
> stuck with an OEM.
>
> A firmware update of a drive does not trigger the activation system - I
> upgraded the firmware on my 4 Seagate H/Ds a month ago without a burp from
> the activation system.
>
> Hope you are well - hurricane wise.
>
> Regards
>
> DrT
>
>

Re: Win8 Upgrade

Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:47 am

Yes... that's what I am afraid of.

"mjnelson99" wrote in message news:3669@public.tech.misc...

I'll bet it is OEM rather than retail.
Mary

On 10/31/2012 10:03 PM, Ed. wrote:
> I am still holding back on downloading the upgrade till I can know for
> sure
> if it is an OEM or Retail. I am like you and don't want an OEM.
>
> "DrTeeth" wrote in message news:3662@public.tech.misc...
>
> The thing is an OEM-type licence is tied to the hardware and the licence
> expires with the hardware (is tied to it), be it an upgrade or a technical
> fault. There have been reports of MSoft being kind and allowing an OEM
> licence to be used on new hardware if that was technically necessary to
> fix
> a computer.
>
> A retail licence does not have that restriction. I know this from
> experience
> too as when I upgraded a while back, there were major problems,such that
> there were > 5 hardware changes (motherboard + CPU) over a 2-3 week
> period.
> I had no problems at all with my retail licence of Win 7. I'd have been
> stuck with an OEM.
>
> A firmware update of a drive does not trigger the activation system - I
> upgraded the firmware on my 4 Seagate H/Ds a month ago without a burp from
> the activation system.
>
> Hope you are well - hurricane wise.
>
> Regards
>
> DrT
>
>

Re: Win8 Upgrade

Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:30 am

No, it is a Retail edition.
Windows 8 OEM editions will be only those preinstalled by manufactures.
You can transfer a 8/8 Pro license to another computer.
But you cannot transfer the Media Center Pack license or the 8 Pro Pack (only the Pro Pack costs 69,99 dollars).
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/mss ... 8_Pro_Pack
So if you plan to buy in the future better do it with the current offer.

From windows 8 Eula:
http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/en ... fault.aspx
"Can I transfer the software to another computer or user? You may transfer the software to
another computer that belongs to you. You may also transfer the software (together with the license) to
a computer owned by someone else if a) you are the first licensed user of the software and b) the new
user agrees to the terms of this agreement. To make that transfer, you must transfer the original media,
the certificate of authenticity, the product key and the proof of purchase directly to that other person,
without retaining any copies of the software. You may use the backup copy we allow you to make or the
media that the software came on to transfer the software. Anytime you transfer the software to a new
computer, you must remove the software from the prior computer. You may not transfer the software to
computer, you must remove the software from the prior computer. You may not transfer the software to
share licenses between computers. You may transfer Get Genuine Windows software, Pro Pack or Media
Center Pack software only together with the licensed computer. "
Ed Smith wrote:
> Yes... that's what I am afraid of.
>
> "mjnelson99" wrote in message news:3669@public.tech.misc...
>
> I'll bet it is OEM rather than retail.
> Mary
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