George wrote:
> Now if I could only figure out a way to move Thunderbird mail files and
> GPS map files from C: to F: and use them seamlessly, I'd be eternally
> grateful. But this subject is for another thread.
>
George,
Easy. See my two posts about using junction.exe.
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/ucf/vi ... 4&start=20
Are the GPS map files from the Garmin app?
Straw poll
Re: Straw poll
Gearge,
Both you & Bob see the need of imaging drives together & can relate to the dangers of not doing so.
I used to do it like Brian, up until the all encompassing 'registry' bit me in the arse.<g>
For strictly data only, Brian's plan is fine. But for the rest of us with programs on other drives/partitions, Brian's plan WILL eventually
backfire on ya (BTDT several times...OUCH!). Problem with it is first off we'd eventually forget to synch them, plus the 'Registry' is so very much all encompassing
as to include a plethora of links in areas such as (but NOT limited ONLY to) our 'User' folders on drive C:\
Used to be we could move the entire contents of our 'User' folder(s) from C:\ to any other drive letter with no problem (WinXP). But now with Win 7 (and Win 8?) doing so requires some registry hacking, as those now hold important info regarding the hives & boot-up, as well as links to data & programs on other drives.
Brian's plan is fine for the very narrow group of us that might actually DO daily/frequent backups, but alas far too many don't follow such a practice:-(
For the bigger bulk of users I'll stick with recommending multiple drives/partitions with OS & programs, to be imaged together (or at the very least soon after one another), so as to keep everything in synch somewhat.
George wrote:
> I, too, have installed apps on a different partition (E:). The reason I
> put my apps on E: is that sometimes program files keep their help and
> other related files in their installed folder. I do image C: more often
> that E: because I don't install apps that often. In some cases, you
> aren't given the option as to where the programs are installed. Oh,
> well. I have to live with that.
> By not synchronizing backups of these two partitions creates a bigger
> problem that missing links in a start menu. If program P1 is installed
> to drive E: and C: is rolled back to an image that predates the P1
> installation, then the registry contains NO information regarding
> program P1. P1 might as well be deleted from E: and reinstalled from
> scratch.
> I do have my installation files saved to G: which includes older
> versions of, say, P1 so I can remove and reinstall a older version in
> case the newer one is to buggy.
> BTW, my personal data is on F: so I can easily access my personal stuff.
> I put a shortcut to F: on my desktop so I can easily access those files.
> Now if I could only figure out a way to move Thunderbird mail files and
> GPS map files from C: to F: and use them seamlessly, I'd be eternally
> grateful. But this subject is for another thread.
>
> George
> ---
> There are 10 kinds of people in the world.
> Those who understand binary and
> Those who don't.
>
> On 10/17/2012 2:31 PM, Bob Coleman wrote:
> > Brian K wrote:
>
>
>
> > Image C:
> > Install program P1 supposedly to D:
> > Restore previously taken image of C:
> >
> > Would you really be confident that everything affecting the behavior of
> P! still exists?
> >
> > Probably the tip of the iceberg, but, at a minimum, wouldn't P1 be
> missing from the start menu? Wouldn't any filetype associations involving
> P1 be lost?
> >
> >
Both you & Bob see the need of imaging drives together & can relate to the dangers of not doing so.
I used to do it like Brian, up until the all encompassing 'registry' bit me in the arse.<g>
For strictly data only, Brian's plan is fine. But for the rest of us with programs on other drives/partitions, Brian's plan WILL eventually
backfire on ya (BTDT several times...OUCH!). Problem with it is first off we'd eventually forget to synch them, plus the 'Registry' is so very much all encompassing
as to include a plethora of links in areas such as (but NOT limited ONLY to) our 'User' folders on drive C:\
Used to be we could move the entire contents of our 'User' folder(s) from C:\ to any other drive letter with no problem (WinXP). But now with Win 7 (and Win 8?) doing so requires some registry hacking, as those now hold important info regarding the hives & boot-up, as well as links to data & programs on other drives.
Brian's plan is fine for the very narrow group of us that might actually DO daily/frequent backups, but alas far too many don't follow such a practice:-(
For the bigger bulk of users I'll stick with recommending multiple drives/partitions with OS & programs, to be imaged together (or at the very least soon after one another), so as to keep everything in synch somewhat.
George wrote:
> I, too, have installed apps on a different partition (E:). The reason I
> put my apps on E: is that sometimes program files keep their help and
> other related files in their installed folder. I do image C: more often
> that E: because I don't install apps that often. In some cases, you
> aren't given the option as to where the programs are installed. Oh,
> well. I have to live with that.
> By not synchronizing backups of these two partitions creates a bigger
> problem that missing links in a start menu. If program P1 is installed
> to drive E: and C: is rolled back to an image that predates the P1
> installation, then the registry contains NO information regarding
> program P1. P1 might as well be deleted from E: and reinstalled from
> scratch.
> I do have my installation files saved to G: which includes older
> versions of, say, P1 so I can remove and reinstall a older version in
> case the newer one is to buggy.
> BTW, my personal data is on F: so I can easily access my personal stuff.
> I put a shortcut to F: on my desktop so I can easily access those files.
> Now if I could only figure out a way to move Thunderbird mail files and
> GPS map files from C: to F: and use them seamlessly, I'd be eternally
> grateful. But this subject is for another thread.
>
> George
> ---
> There are 10 kinds of people in the world.
> Those who understand binary and
> Those who don't.
>
> On 10/17/2012 2:31 PM, Bob Coleman wrote:
> > Brian K wrote:
>
>
>
> > Image C:
> > Install program P1 supposedly to D:
> > Restore previously taken image of C:
> >
> > Would you really be confident that everything affecting the behavior of
> P! still exists?
> >
> > Probably the tip of the iceberg, but, at a minimum, wouldn't P1 be
> missing from the start menu? Wouldn't any filetype associations involving
> P1 be lost?
> >
> >
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Re: Straw poll
George wrote:
> Now if I could only figure out a way to move Thunderbird mail files and
> GPS map files from C: to F: and use them seamlessly, I'd be eternally
> grateful. But this subject is for another thread.
It's easy to put Thunderbird's profile which includes the mail files on a partition other than C:, but whether straightforward/safe to move it after it's already established, I'm not too sure.
> Now if I could only figure out a way to move Thunderbird mail files and
> GPS map files from C: to F: and use them seamlessly, I'd be eternally
> grateful. But this subject is for another thread.
It's easy to put Thunderbird's profile which includes the mail files on a partition other than C:, but whether straightforward/safe to move it after it's already established, I'm not too sure.
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Bob Coleman
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Re: Straw poll
a1pcfixer wrote:
> For the bigger bulk of users I'll stick with recommending multiple drives/partitions
> with OS & programs, to be imaged together (or at the very least soon after one
> another), so as to keep everything in synch somewhat.
Agreed on imaging the partitions together, basically treating them as a single unit, but then why bother splitting them apart in the first place?
> For the bigger bulk of users I'll stick with recommending multiple drives/partitions
> with OS & programs, to be imaged together (or at the very least soon after one
> another), so as to keep everything in synch somewhat.
Agreed on imaging the partitions together, basically treating them as a single unit, but then why bother splitting them apart in the first place?
Re: Straw poll
I like the OS partition to be lean and mean so I can have small images, created quickly. Then the kids asked me to install several multi GiB games so I installed them to another partition. The OS is still lean and mean and the Games partition does not change significantly and only needs to be imaged occasionally. I've been doing this for several years and there have been no problems.
I've also mentioned moving certain big program folders from the C: drive to the Games partition by using junction.exe. No problems here either. These were apps that wouldn't install to any partition other than the C: drive.
I've also mentioned moving certain big program folders from the C: drive to the Games partition by using junction.exe. No problems here either. These were apps that wouldn't install to any partition other than the C: drive.
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mjnelson99
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Re: Straw poll
If you also use MozBackup to backup Thunderbird, it can
complicate restoring a backup as well.
When I do a restore in order to get what I want on the
restore I MUST remove the TB files in Windows or I have
major problems with deleted email services coming back.
Mary
On 10/18/2012 1:02 PM, Bob Coleman wrote:
> George wrote:
>
>> Now if I could only figure out a way to move Thunderbird mail files and
>> GPS map files from C: to F: and use them seamlessly, I'd be eternally
>> grateful. But this subject is for another thread.
>
> It's easy to put Thunderbird's profile which includes the mail files on a partition other than C:, but whether straightforward/safe to move it after it's already established, I'm not too sure.
>
>
complicate restoring a backup as well.
When I do a restore in order to get what I want on the
restore I MUST remove the TB files in Windows or I have
major problems with deleted email services coming back.
Mary
On 10/18/2012 1:02 PM, Bob Coleman wrote:
> George wrote:
>
>> Now if I could only figure out a way to move Thunderbird mail files and
>> GPS map files from C: to F: and use them seamlessly, I'd be eternally
>> grateful. But this subject is for another thread.
>
> It's easy to put Thunderbird's profile which includes the mail files on a partition other than C:, but whether straightforward/safe to move it after it's already established, I'm not too sure.
>
>
Re: Straw poll
On 10/17/2012 7:30 PM, Brian K wrote:
> George wrote:
>
>> Now if I could only figure out a way to move Thunderbird mail files and
>> GPS map files from C: to F: and use them seamlessly, I'd be eternally
>> grateful. But this subject is for another thread.
>>
>
> George,
>
> Easy. See my two posts about using junction.exe.
>
> [
> viewtopic.php?f=4&t=724&start=20
> ](http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/ucf/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=724&start=20)
>
> Are the GPS map files from the Garmin app?
>
>
Thanks, Brian, for the tip on using junction.exe. Kinda works like "ln
-s" in Linux-speak.
For my Thunderbird files, some are in \AppData\Local and some are
in /AppData/Roaming. I copied both folders to F:\Thunderbird,
moved the old files to HoldThunderbird (in their respective directories)
and used junction.exe to link the F: Thunderbird files to the C:
locations. It worked like a champ. I'll clean up the files in a few days.
My GPS is a TomTom device and the TomTom files are scattered in several
directories (Local & Roaming as above and in the Documents folder.) I'm
thinking of moving my Documents folder to F: and using junction.exe to
link Documents back to /Documents.
The reason I'm doing this is my data files (for the most part) are not
tied to the OS and an upgrade (when I need one ) will be easier due
to fewer/smaller data files that need to be migrated.
Again, I'm a little old-school here. In Unix' early days, eight slices
(now called partitions) were required to set up the operating system and
occasionally, someone would accidentally fill up a partition with data
(usually /tmp) and lock up the entire system. Only one partition would
be affected and the sysadmin could handle this (remove the offending
file) without rebuilding the entire system; hence, my belief that user
data should be in its own partition.
George
> George wrote:
>
>> Now if I could only figure out a way to move Thunderbird mail files and
>> GPS map files from C: to F: and use them seamlessly, I'd be eternally
>> grateful. But this subject is for another thread.
>>
>
> George,
>
> Easy. See my two posts about using junction.exe.
>
> [
> viewtopic.php?f=4&t=724&start=20
> ](http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/ucf/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=724&start=20)
>
> Are the GPS map files from the Garmin app?
>
>
Thanks, Brian, for the tip on using junction.exe. Kinda works like "ln
-s" in Linux-speak.
For my Thunderbird files, some are in \AppData\Local and some are
in /AppData/Roaming. I copied both folders to F:\Thunderbird,
moved the old files to HoldThunderbird (in their respective directories)
and used junction.exe to link the F: Thunderbird files to the C:
locations. It worked like a champ. I'll clean up the files in a few days.
My GPS is a TomTom device and the TomTom files are scattered in several
directories (Local & Roaming as above and in the Documents folder.) I'm
thinking of moving my Documents folder to F: and using junction.exe to
link Documents back to /Documents.
The reason I'm doing this is my data files (for the most part) are not
tied to the OS and an upgrade (when I need one ) will be easier due
to fewer/smaller data files that need to be migrated.
Again, I'm a little old-school here. In Unix' early days, eight slices
(now called partitions) were required to set up the operating system and
occasionally, someone would accidentally fill up a partition with data
(usually /tmp) and lock up the entire system. Only one partition would
be affected and the sysadmin could handle this (remove the offending
file) without rebuilding the entire system; hence, my belief that user
data should be in its own partition.
George
Re: Straw poll
George,
I'm pleased junction.exe has helped. It is so easy to use. I have a Garmin Nuvi. When I update the GPS internal map (every 3 months or so) the installer puts a new map in the C: drive. About 300 MiB. I move it to the Games (big programs) partition as I prefer my OS to be lean and mean. No files are updated in this Garmin folder. Nothing changes until the next map update and that will be in a new folder anyway. As the junction is a parent folder the new map automatically "goes" to the Games partition.
I'm pleased junction.exe has helped. It is so easy to use. I have a Garmin Nuvi. When I update the GPS internal map (every 3 months or so) the installer puts a new map in the C: drive. About 300 MiB. I move it to the Games (big programs) partition as I prefer my OS to be lean and mean. No files are updated in this Garmin folder. Nothing changes until the next map update and that will be in a new folder anyway. As the junction is a parent folder the new map automatically "goes" to the Games partition.
Re: Straw poll
Bob Coleman wrote:
>
> Agreed on imaging the partitions together, basically treating them as a single unit,
> but then why bother splitting them apart in the first place?
Because you can't image separate drives at one time is one reason. I elaborated on this back a few posts.
>
> Agreed on imaging the partitions together, basically treating them as a single unit,
> but then why bother splitting them apart in the first place?
Because you can't image separate drives at one time is one reason. I elaborated on this back a few posts.
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Re: Straw poll
George wrote:
> On 10/17/2012 7:30 PM, Brian K wrote:
> > George wrote:
> >
> Again, I'm a little old-school here.
Me too, I guess. I (mostly) solve the user data issue by simply not using the Documents folder. I store all my user data in folders of my choice on partitions of my choice. My Documents folder stays on C:, but it's nearly empty and stays that way.
> On 10/17/2012 7:30 PM, Brian K wrote:
> > George wrote:
> >
> Again, I'm a little old-school here.
Me too, I guess. I (mostly) solve the user data issue by simply not using the Documents folder. I store all my user data in folders of my choice on partitions of my choice. My Documents folder stays on C:, but it's nearly empty and stays that way.